Vol 3 Issue 1
Booth Run News


 

January 2008

Update: 1/26/2008

Calvin is talking to the PA House of Representatives to try to get a more easier Permit Process for Recreational Dredging.

While that is going on I figured that it would be good to list the process here and in the Dredging page what needs to be done to get a Recreational Power Slicing Permit.

I called the DEP that over sees the Mercer county, since the State is broken down into 6 regions and each region can have it's own policies as to how they want to interpret the laws of PA.

When I called and I asked where I could get information on how to go about getting a   "Dredging Permit" I was directed to the following website:

1) http://www.depweb.state.pa.us/dep/site/default.asp

2) Click on the link that says "Permits, Licensing & Certification "

(Please note the links may not work below because they change access to the site frequently so if you do step #2 and then follow what to click on in steps #3, #4 and 5 you will get there)

3) Click on: " Chapter 105 Water Obstruction & Encroachment General Permits (PAG-1, 2, 12, and GP-01-11, 15) "

4) This opens up the Elibrary where you then click on "Water Obstruction-Encroachment-US Army Corps of Engineers Section 404 Joint Permit Application"

5) To start off the DEP agent said to start with : Instructions including Sample Plans on everything. Note this is 45 pages long.  The one that is the whole lot of all the permits and everything is : Water Obstruction and Encroachment Application Package which is 145 pages long.

6) I was good to go. They answered my question. in a very polite and quick manner, and I thank them. I at this point just wanted an over view of what needs to be done. I found out it's not like going and getting a fishing license. From all the talk  I knew it would be a long process, just wanting to find out what it is. Read about the meeting from October 2007 Carlisle show.


During this time on the phone I talked to the DEP Agent and a few things really came to light.

1) Land use permission would be need to be looked into since there are other laws that may need satisfied that permits may be need for. Example: where you power slicing is it on private property, or state lands, or state wet lands? A different permit for each, if any will need to be looked for

2) County and other local laws need to be looked into to make sure you don't need any permits from them.

3) Wild life studies would be needed to make sure that there are no endangered species of animals around. And impact studies may need done on what power slicing does to the area.

4) The dirt and gravel that is brought up from the stream bed, how are we going to dispose of it. Since we dug it up it seems like we can't just dump it back in the water were we got it from. I have to look deeper in on that since we just are replacing it back to the where it came from, less any heavy material, like iron and any other heavy objects that we will then concentrate down to.

5) Water sediment disturbance, on how it will effect the people down stream and will it effect any water supplies to the area.

6) At one point I explained that this is recreational and a not commercial operation. I'm not going to be bringing in dump trucks and barges and such and doing a 24 hours a day operation. This is a weekend prospector that a few times a year would like to dredging. But during the talk it's more the thoughts of if several hundred people get a dredging and go into one area it's as if it was over a big corporation came in and was doing dredging 24/7 and was pretty much told that there is no difference in this specific matter under the law.

7) Everything is on a case by case examination when getting permits and that only way to get in exactly what is needed for the case of recreational dredging is to go and file for a permit.

8) When I go though the Application package to remember some of the items may not need to be done, my guess is because this would be considered a small scale mining operation.

9) Any material that comes out of the stream may need to have royalties taken off of it by the "in conjunction with any permitted dredging activity is subject to the royalty and agreement provisions of the Dam Safety and Encroachments Act". I asked how would that take place and he didn't know, most likely since it wasn't his department that I would be dealing with on that.


So to sum things up I'll be looking at the paper work and bring them to light in up coming editions as to what they want us to do to get a permit. Also to see how well Calvin is doing in his endeavors talking with the house of Representatives on trying to get "Recreational Dredging"


 

Date 1/10/2008

Happy New Years!

I hope everyone has had a good Christmas and New Years!

GOLD! GOLD! GOLD! On January 11th around noon gold actually hit a new high of, get this, $900.10 US! before it dropped down to where it finished for the day at $894.90US. With an overall 4 dollar gain on the day. Almost makes me want to take my nuggets and sell them at these prices. But there has been talk of it going higher, some are speculating that it will go as high as $2,000US before to long.  The last time gold had a historic high before the past few months was back in the on January 21st 1980 when it hit 850$ and once and that was during inflation fears and very high oil prices that happed during the Iranian revolution. Here are a few links about all that is happening:

 

Even though gold is up over the 850$/oz from 1980 those of you who want to know the cost adjustment because of inflation means that gold that sold for 850$ in 1980 would be worth around $2,000 in today's market.

As for the 2007 gold started out at around $650/oz and ended 2007 around $800/oz. meaning around a 30 percent increase for 2007 and for the past 2 years gold is up more than 50 percent.

And don't forget Silver: Copper and silver: every bit as bright as gold


 


December 2007 meeting

Christmas party.

January 12th 2008 Meeting information
relayed to me by the Club Secretary Chris

  • 72 members at the meeting.
     
  • Anyone missing from the club directory see Carly to be added.
     
  • Up and coming shows: Eastwood Expo show in Niles, OH  show in February 2/29 - 3/2 , and the Austintown show in march we will be at.
     
  • The Ohio chapter has invited us to the Swank property on Feb 9th for there first ever winter festival. (at our Jan 12th meeting it was told that it was the 16th but the Ohio chapter changed it, and we were not notified until after the January meeting)
     
  • Calvin is working with state reps on the dredging permits.
     
  • At the Carlisle gold show Rob S. made a real nice display for our chapter and since we will be doing more shows we bought the display off of Rob for our use.
     
  • Members are looking for property in Ohio that we may be able to lease. According GPAA if we can find a suitable property that will lease to us the GPAA will pay the leasing costs.
     
  • The outing committee will have a list of outings for the year at the next meeting. The following is just some of the items being worked on: May 1st weekend trip for the Herkimer Diamond mine "Ace of diamonds" (as seen on TV).
     
  • 05/16/2008 thru 05/18/2008 GPAA is holding an outing at the Vein Mountain in North Carolina (3 to 5 day trip).
     
  • Work party schedule for the year will be posted.
     
  • Next meeting will be held February 9th at the fire hall.

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